Saturday, July 18, 2015


Working at the law school, I get called on from time to time to act as an “expert” for interviews with various news media. Usually the questions deal with criminal law, law enforcement, and prosecution issues. Sometimes I can help the media understand various issues, not because I am an “expert,” but because I have had sufficient experience with those issues to be able to figure out what is probably going on in most of the situations.

I gave an interview the other day on an issue that I considered a “tempest in a teacup.” There was a law enforcement investigation into a minor crime which resulted in the suspect being not only exonerated but proven innocent beyond a reasonable doubt. So what was the big deal? Unfortunately, however, the suspect was a local celebrity and somebody gave an anonymous tip to the media.

The media had focused in on a tape recorded interview given by the suspect and wanted to know if the officer had violated the suspect’s rights or otherwise done anything wrong. My answer was that, aside from being impolite, the officer had done nothing legally or morally wrong. What I saw wrong with the interview was the interview technique used by the officer.

The officer started the interview off by telling the suspect he was guilty, telling him they had an ironclad case against him, and calling on him to confess. When the suspect started denying the crime, the officer cut him off and went back to telling him how guilty he was. Then the officer gave the suspect an excuse for having committed the crime and tried to get him to adopt that excuse as a reason he did it. The only problem was, he was innocent and he didn’t do it. He gave the officer his whereabouts (he was at a restaurant when the crime occurred), and when the officers went and interviewed the restaurant personnel, they supported the alibi. He also gave other corroborative evidence which, when checked out, proved true; and he asked if they had any kind of surveillance footage. At the time of the interview, they didn’t have surveillance footage, but when they did pull the footage it established that the suspect wasn’t at the scene of the crime.
As I said earlier, a tempest in a teacup. The officer took a complaint, made an investigation, and ultimately cleared the suspect. The only problem was the officer could have been more polite. But the situation got me to thinking about the type of interview technique the officer used. It's used by many law enforcement agencies, but I don't like it. Here's why:

It looked to me like the officer was using what is called the Reid Interrogation Technique, a nine step technique for corkscrewing confessions out of people. I thought I could see the first three steps being deployed, but I didn’t see any evidence of the next six steps. I can’t say for sure that the officer was using the Reid Technique because each step of the nine steps of the Reid Technique is an interrogation technique that predates Reid. Reid simply took the various techniques, put them together, and made a system out of what had previously been ad hoc hit-or-miss tactics sometimes used by interviewers.

I don’t like the Reid Technique because I think it is based on a flawed premise. It presupposes the suspect is guilty and its objective is to get him to confess. I think a better presupposition is something like: The suspect may be guilty and my objective is to find out if he is.

Suspects can be browbeaten into false confessions. I have seen it happen. When I was a public defender, I had a client who loudly proclaimed his innocence and told me he there was no way he was pleading guilty. “Fine,” I said, “We’ll go to trial.” The morning of trial I spoke with the complaining witness, and I was not impressed with his veracity. I went back to the holding cell to discuss the case with my client, and our chief investigator was in the cell with him. They were in the middle of a conversation, and the investigator wasn’t being very polite. I stood there with my mouth open as my client, crying like a baby, said he was guilty and was ready to plead guilty. I found my voice. “Wait just a damn minute here. You’ve been telling me you’re innocent and you want a trial. I’m ready to give you your trial today. What do you mean telling me you want to plead guilty?” My language may have been a little spicier than that. He assured me he wanted to plead guilty. “Okay,” I said, “It’s your decision. I’ll go talk to the state attorney.” I went into the courtroom and approached the state attorney and asked him about a plea in the case. “No,” he said, “I’ve dropped the charges. I don’t believe the complaining witness.”

When I wrote Prosecution Principles I suggested a method for interrogating suspects that is a little more labor-intensive than the Reid Technique, but I think it’s based on a much better premise. Here’s what I said:

Three Types of Questioning. There are many types of questioning aimed at many different objectives, but we need concern ourselves with only three–the interview, the interrogation, and the examination. Interviews and interrogations occur outside the courtroom, usually in anticipation of some court action, and examinations occur inside the courtroom in support of a court action. Interviews and interrogations do not necessarily have to be given under oath, but examinations are almost always conducted with the witness under oath. In interviews and interrogations, the examiner is also the audience, and the examiner seeks to discover information from the witness. In an examination the examiner should already know the witness’s information, and the objective is to disclose the information to the audience, either judge or jury. An interview presupposes a cooperative witness, while an interrogation presupposes the witness to be uncooperative. An examination presupposes some sort of legal compulsion to answer, usually in the form of a subpoena.

The Interview. The interview of a friendly witness presents the examiner with a relatively easy job. The witness willingly discloses the necessary information, if only the examiner can ask the right questions. Too often examiners can fall victim to tunnel vision, focusing too closely on issues too narrowly defined. A good interview technique is to simply say, “I want you to tell me what happened. Just start at the beginning and go to the end, and don’t leave anything out in the middle.” Listen and take notes for follow-up questions. After the witness has disgorged his information, follow up with specific questions. Do not fear going “outside the crime scene tape,” asking questions on any peripheral areas that may be of interest. Do not neglect the witness’s background. Establish the precise nature of any relationships among the principles to the incident. You must be very careful with the facts presupposed in your questions. The witness, wanting to cooperate, may accept presuppositions which are untrue, to the detriment of the truth-seeking process. In one long-forgotten murder case a young assistant public defender [yours truly] got each of the witnesses to say on interview that the victim “ran up on” the defendant’s knife. He went to trial confident that he could prove the victim committed the functional equivalent of suicide by impaling himself on the defendant’s knife. He was bitterly disappointed when none of the witnesses testified to that “fact” at trial. In re-evaluating his performance, the young attorney realized that when he interviewed the witnesses, they simply tried to be helpful by accepting his preconceived notion of what had happened. Had he more carefully tried to keep from telegraphing his preconceptions, he would not have deceived himself. In addition to being careful with the presuppositions of the question, you should also be expansive with the presumed field of answers, using the least restrictive prescribed form for the answer.

The Interrogation. Where an interview is an exercise in education, an interrogation is an exercise in extraction. Many examiners approach the interrogation of a suspect with the objective of extracting a confession. This is a capital mistake, as the suspect may be innocent. The examiner should approach the suspect interrogation with the same objective as any other form of questioning–to extract the truth. You are more likely to achieve the truth if you do not try to impose your preconceptions about the truth upon the witness. The interrogation presents this conundrum–-although the examiner must still be careful with the facts presupposed in the question, lack of cooperation from the witness demands that the examiner narrow the presumed field of answers and adopt a more coercive prescribed form. How can a witness be coerced into telling the truth without resort to torture?

A certain amount of coerciveness comes simply from your position as a prosecutor, a law enforcement officer, and an officer of the court. The authority inherent in that position exerts a more or less subtle psychological pressure to come forward with the truth. Beyond that, the witness’s desire to appear helpful, inherent in any questioning situation, gives a subtle push toward cooperation. Finally, once the witness begins to cooperate by answering questions, the witness’s aversion to being thought dishonest exerts pressure.

The witness will appear dishonest in one of three ways–-either the testimony will be illogical, internally inconsistent, or incompatible with other evidence. As the witness’s testimony becomes illogical, confront the witness with that illogical and ask that it be reconciled. As the witness attempts to reconcile the illogic, she will either give up the truth or become more illogical. The more illogical the witness becomes, the more ridiculous she looks. The more ridiculous she looks, the greater will be the pressure to tell the truth. As the witness begins to try to repair her credibility, she will begin to make statements at variance with what she has already told you. Confront her with these inconsistencies. As she attempts to repair these inconsistencies, she will either become more inconsistent or more truthful. The witness will also become inconsistent with other known facts. As these inconsistencies arise, contradict her with them. Do not let the witness know what you already know unless and until the witness tells you something at variance with what you already know. Not knowing how much you know and not wanting to be gainsaid on other statements, the witness will either come around to telling the truth, or completely destroy her credibility, or shut down completely and refuse to give further information. Patience is if paramount importance. The less impatient you appear, the less hostile you are as you point out the problems with the witness’s testimony, the longer the witness will talk before shutting down completely. [Something I used to tell officers when they were disappointed that a suspect hadn’t confessed: “A horrendous lie is just as good as a confession; sometimes even better.”]

Quintilian’s Corkscrew. Most people try to be truthful most of the time. Rather than lying, many witnesses will simply become incredibly uncooperative in giving forth the information. They will deploy every available evasive technique in their efforts to prevent you from getting the information you want. The ancient Roman rhetorician Quintilian had this to say about corkscrewing the truth out of a reluctant witness:

“With the witness who is going to tell the truth with reluctance, the prime success for the interrogator is to extort from him what he did not want to say. This can only be done by questioning which starts a long way from the point. He will then give answers which he does not think harm the Cause; later on, he will be led from a number of admissions to the point when he cannot deny what he does not want to say.” [Quintilian, The Orator’s Education, 5.7.17, Trans. Donald A. Russell, Harvard University Press, Cambridge, Massachusetts, 2001. p. 343.

Beginning with small, innocuous admissions, the examiner builds on those admissions to larger ones. By the time the witness has made all the preliminary admissions, he will have locked himself into making the targeted admissions.

I recently learned that a system which is very similar to my recommendations is being taught as the PEACE Model of Investigative Interviewing. It is supposed to be the interview model used by law enforcement in the United Kingdom. If I were the head of a law enforcement agency, I believe I would be inclined towards having my investigators trained in the PEACE Model rather than in the Reid Technique. At least one up side of the PEACE Model is that when the news media listen to the tape recordings of an entire interview, they won’t be criticizing the officers for being rude. Which reminds me. If I'm not mistaken, one thing that the Reid Technique teaches is that you don’t turn on the tape recorder until the final stages of the interrogation when you are ready to memorialize the suspect’s confession.